2025-10-22 13:01:07 From Grant Gardner (MTSU) to Everyone: Hi everyone! 2025-10-22 13:01:24 From Ash Heim to Everyone: Welcome everyone! 2025-10-22 13:04:55 From Ash Heim to Everyone: You can join the BioTAP google group here: https://biotap.org/contact/ And access the 2025 Conference webpage here: https://biotap.org/2025-virtual-conference/ [SHORT TALKS - Natalie Westwood] 2025-10-22 13:11:01 From Lacey D Campbell to Everyone: Can you go back to the questions, please? 2025-10-22 13:11:31 From Grant Gardner (MTSU) to Everyone: They might value the opportunity to be positioned as experts in front of a class. w0132483:👍🏻 2025-10-22 13:11:36 From Georgina Anderson to Everyone: A chance to "try" teaching, to see if it is a good fit (or not) for them in the future? 2025-10-22 13:11:42 From Katie Ingraham Dixie to Everyone: Maybe that it opens them to new experiences, provides opportunities to be creative, and get a break from their research 2025-10-22 13:11:44 From Emily Weigel to Everyone: Where I am, it's a means to an end for some, and really important part of their training/how they develop an ID as an expert for others. 2025-10-22 13:11:49 From Elizaveta Korunova to Everyone: I think if you are a researcher you have the responsibility to educate others. 2025-10-22 13:11:52 From Melody Danley to Everyone: I wonder how much the TA perspective is shaped by their PI’s sense of a TA’s role 2025-10-22 13:11:53 From Stefanie Chen to Everyone: Many of our TAs just do it for the money, but I think they do find value in practicing communication and making connections with students. 2025-10-22 13:11:58 From Lisa Raetz (SDSU) to Everyone: Gaining teaching experience and classroom management is valuable. The more responsibility they have in the role might be more valuable to them 2025-10-22 13:12:02 From Katrina Stewart to Everyone: I think it is mixed. Some feel like it is an extra responsibility they must do for financial or other reasons. Some want to learn how to teach because they anticipate doing it in their future careers. Lacey D Campbell:👍 2025-10-22 13:12:06 From Carol Pollock to Everyone: they might value the experience if they have input into their riole and responsibilities. 2025-10-22 13:12:14 From Lacey D Campbell to Everyone: Unfortunately, I think for some of them it’s just something they have to do in addition to their research (I’m at an R1 institution). 2025-10-22 13:12:25 From Laura Dixon Larsen to Everyone: They value the opportunity to learn how to be a university level educator. 2025-10-22 13:12:48 From Katrina Stewart to Everyone: Replying to "I wonder how much the TA perspective is shaped by ...": Quite a bit in my experience. Katie Ingraham Dixie, w0132483, Lacey D Campbell:👍 2025-10-22 13:16:58 From Frank Campo to Everyone: Replying to "I wonder how much the TA perspective is shaped by ...": Providing TAs gradual Autonomy has definitely been a big driver in my training course. Grant Gardner (MTSU):❤️ 2025-10-22 13:23:16 From Melody Danley to Everyone: Replying to "I wonder how much the TA perspective is shaped by ...": Thank you! That was an intersting presentation! 2025-10-22 13:24:06 From Grant Gardner (MTSU) to Everyone: Do you think these different roles provided those C.A.R components in different ways? I think you kind of just answered my questions. 2025-10-22 13:24:08 From Stefanie Chen to Everyone: Just a comment - I have also felt the dilemma of how much effort to put into improving the student experience for "free" (outside of job responsibilities). 2025-10-22 13:24:13 From Katrina Stewart to Everyone: Can you talk more about the interviews? Who was asking the questions? 2025-10-22 13:25:01 From Stephanie Gutzler (she/her) to Everyone: Replying to "Just a comment - I have also felt the dilemma of h...": Agree, Stefanie, my first thought when I saw that was, “wow, they’re getting a true simulation of what it’s like to be a faculty member!” (And I think that’s important information for these TAs to have, for better or for worse) Stefanie Chen:👆 2025-10-22 13:26:17 From Stephanie Gutzler (she/her) to Everyone: I mean, by law, they’re not supposed to… 😬 Grant Gardner (MTSU):❤️ 2025-10-22 13:27:13 From Stephanie Gutzler (she/her) to Everyone: Great job, Natalie! 2025-10-22 13:27:21 From Natalie Westwood (she/her) to Everyone: Thank you everyone! 2025-10-22 13:28:10 From Stephanie Gutzler (she/her) to Everyone: I, unfortunately, have to run the remainder of the day 🙁 meetings straight through but it was SO good to see all of you and the BioTAP Conference Committee crushed it!!! ❤️ Emily Weigel, Amy Keagy:❤️ 2025-10-22 13:29:12 From Emily Weigel to Everyone: Replying to "I, unfortunately, have to run the remainder of the...": Agreed! 2025-10-22 13:35:14 From Toacca Roberts to Everyone: 😊 [SHORT TALKS - Grant Gardner] 2025-10-22 13:39:22 From Melody Danley to Everyone: Grant’s two questions: What barriers and supports resonate with you or are surprising? What patterns are you seeing in the data in terms of rankings or cultural categories? 2025-10-22 13:40:59 From Amy Keagy to Everyone: #7 barrier is a surprise - how would tpd viewed as bad for their careers? Lacey D Campbell, Ash Heim, Natalie Westwood (she/her):👍 2025-10-22 13:41:17 From Georgina Anderson to Everyone: Barrier #6 is definitely something I've seen and run into 2025-10-22 13:41:20 From Frank Campo to Everyone: Replying to "I, unfortunately, have to run the remainder of the...": Definitely grad advisors trump GTA coordinators 2025-10-22 13:41:24 From Melody Danley to Everyone: For barriers, 2, 3, 5, and 7 seem to all be PI influences Ash Heim, Ana Medrano (She/Her/Ella):👍 2025-10-22 13:41:25 From Katie Ingraham Dixie to Everyone: Its interesting how admins, mentors, and having a facilitator make impacts in both categories Diyala Shihadih:👍 2025-10-22 13:41:27 From Catherine Kirkpatrick to Everyone: Valuing and prioritizing teaching is so important 2025-10-22 13:41:40 From Carol Pollock to Everyone: I think these would be very important - create a positive atmosphere for teaching. 2025-10-22 13:41:42 From Katrina Stewart to Everyone: 2 and 6 at the same time are things I’ve seen 2025-10-22 13:41:51 From Georgina Anderson to Everyone: Barrier #5 surprises me - it seems sometimes GSs have a little too much autonomy without the pedagogy to support the freedom 2025-10-22 13:41:57 From Toacca Roberts to Everyone: Mixed response from mentors Lacey D Campbell:👍 2025-10-22 13:41:59 From Christina Overmyer to Everyone: #2 resonates with me 2025-10-22 13:42:01 From Lisa Raetz (SDSU) to Everyone: people/power seems to be the biggest category for a barrier Ana Medrano (She/Her/Ella), Catherine Kirkpatrick:👍 2025-10-22 13:42:49 From Katrina Stewart to Everyone: I hope to make 6 more of a reality at my institution 2025-10-22 13:42:53 From Ana Medrano (She/Her/Ella) to Everyone: TPD opportunities are not that abundant - main issue here 2025-10-22 13:43:00 From Lacey D Campbell to Everyone: I don’t know that the GS Unions directly limit TPD… 2025-10-22 13:43:07 From Georgina Anderson to Everyone: I would love to know WHY the union limits TPD... seems pretty counterintuitive? Ash Heim, Frank Campo:👍 2025-10-22 13:43:08 From Katie Ingraham Dixie to Everyone: availability of the opportunities make a difference 2025-10-22 13:43:17 From Monica Torres to Everyone: #5 2025-10-22 13:43:17 From Frank Campo to Everyone: Replying to "I, unfortunately, have to run the remainder of the...": Surprised Unions frown on TPD! 2025-10-22 13:43:31 From Christina Overmyer to Everyone: TPD opportunities are lacking Ana Medrano (She/Her/Ella):👍 2025-10-22 13:43:41 From Beth Schussler (she/her) to Everyone: It’s about having caps on number of hours they can work. TPD can exceed that 2025-10-22 13:43:48 From Carol Pollock to Everyone: opportunities are important 2025-10-22 13:44:16 From Ana Medrano (She/Her/Ella) to Everyone: ongoing TPD is needed 2025-10-22 13:44:26 From Lacey D Campbell to Everyone: Replying to "It’s about having caps on number of hours they can...": Yeah, so re-frame what the TAs are spending their hours doing. The Unions are directly banning TPD. 2025-10-22 13:44:31 From Katie Ingraham Dixie to Everyone: I'm maybe seeing a fixed vs growth mindset perhaps? Ash Heim, Catherine Kirkpatrick:❤️ 2025-10-22 13:44:42 From Beth Schussler (she/her) to Everyone: It’s so interesting that symbols support and people prevent (are barriers)… ha - just seeing that Diyala Shihadih:👍 2025-10-22 13:44:45 From Carol Pollock to Everyone: ties in with first set - what is contributing to the overall atmosphere Ana Medrano (She/Her/Ella):❤️ 2025-10-22 13:44:52 From Katrina Stewart to Everyone: 4 is true for our teaching faculty, would like to see more of it with our GTAs 2025-10-22 13:44:55 From Frank Campo to Everyone: Replying to "I, unfortunately, have to run the remainder of the...": Some want autonomy too quickly and want one shot TPD. Sustained TPD needed Catherine Kirkpatrick:👍 2025-10-22 13:45:32 From Ana Medrano (She/Her/Ella) to Everyone: have a meeting in 15 min so I will leave for about an hour and come back 2025-10-22 13:46:23 From Melody Danley to Everyone: Grant - maybe I missed it, but where did the list of support vs. barriers come from? Was it developed before the interviews, or as a result of the interviews? 2025-10-22 13:47:48 From Melody Danley to Everyone: Thank you! 2025-10-22 13:47:56 From Georgina Anderson to Everyone: I'm surprised that in these first two talks here, "hours" has been brought up. In my experience, there was very little concern about exactly how many hours GSs were spending on teaching. 2025-10-22 13:48:04 From Frank Campo to Everyone: Just thinking that if TPD was good union would support??? Katie Ingraham Dixie:👍 2025-10-22 13:49:30 From Natalie Westwood (she/her) to Everyone: Our GTAs are unionized and they are paid for a specific amount. (~12.5 hours a week over a term) Georgina Anderson:👍 2025-10-22 13:49:59 From Catherine Kirkpatrick to Everyone: Replying to "Our GTAs are unionized and they are paid for a spe...": Similar here, but 20 hours per week Georgina Anderson:👍 2025-10-22 13:50:05 From Frank Campo to Everyone: I think this is a great summary of Barriers and Supports. Although #7 barrier Is crazy! 2025-10-22 13:50:09 From Katie Ingraham Dixie to Everyone: interestingly, the last institution I was at, they had worked TPD for first time TAs at least into the contracts 2025-10-22 13:50:09 From Katrina Stewart to Everyone: Replying to "Our GTAs are unionized and they are paid for a spe...": 20 here on average 2025-10-22 13:50:22 From Kristen Miller to Everyone: Same for us at UGA, Grant. 2025-10-22 13:50:23 From Lacey D Campbell to Everyone: I think ours is ~15 hours per week 2025-10-22 13:50:51 From Ana Medrano (She/Her/Ella) to Everyone: our GTAs are paid for 20 h/wk but are expected to work 12-15 h/wk 2025-10-22 13:50:59 From Amy Keagy to Everyone: My new GAs after COVID had entirely different attitudes about teaching and work. 2025-10-22 13:51:48 From Christina Overmyer to Everyone: My new GAs after COVID had entirely different attitudes about teaching and work. I've observed that as well. I believe this newer population want a better work/life balance. [SHORT TALKS - Christine Solan] 2025-10-22 13:53:43 From Grant Gardner (MTSU) to Everyone: Buy in from GTAs and faculty that support them. Ash Heim:👍 2025-10-22 13:53:45 From Mark Spindler to Everyone: Finding convenient timeslots and rooms 2025-10-22 13:53:47 From Carol Pollock to Everyone: poor turnout 2025-10-22 13:53:57 From Melody Danley to Everyone: Christine’s Question: What’s a significant challenge you’ve faced when preparing for and facilitating Biology TA PD workshops? 2025-10-22 13:54:04 From Catherine Kirkpatrick to Everyone: Sessions for large numbers of TAs are more difficult 2025-10-22 13:54:11 From Katrina Stewart to Everyone: Determining what would be most useful and interesting for participants. Mark Spindler:➕ 2025-10-22 13:54:19 From Frank Campo to Everyone: Combining teaching logistics and pedagogy in one training meeting. I have to wrap it all in one meeting which is good in a way 2025-10-22 13:54:20 From Lacey D Campbell to Everyone: Getting support from the department/PIs for a designated time that we can do this where the GTAs can actually attend. 2025-10-22 13:54:50 From Amy Keagy to Everyone: GA attention span - - their is some "transfer" shock from being an undergrad to being a grad Grant Gardner (MTSU):❤️ 2025-10-22 13:54:51 From Katie Ingraham Dixie to Everyone: I think turnout when everyone's lives are so busy are indeed a big challenge in my experience 2025-10-22 13:54:59 From Christina Overmyer to Everyone: Engagement from GTAs 2025-10-22 13:55:15 From Catherine Kirkpatrick to Everyone: Replying to "Getting support from the department/PIs for a desi...": Yes, we’ve made being able to attend training a condition for employment 2025-10-22 13:55:53 From Lisa Raetz (SDSU) to Everyone: Finding the time, coordinating schedules Lacey D Campbell:👍 2025-10-22 13:55:56 From Melody Danley to Everyone: My GTA PD training session being applicable to more than just a few GTAs at a time. And have broader value to their careers. Ash Heim, Catherine Kirkpatrick:👍 2025-10-22 14:01:07 From Grant Gardner (MTSU) to Everyone: I love the idea of bringing in principles of Adult Learning into these models. We so often fall back on more traditional pedagogy ideas. Cool. Emily Braley, Catherine Kirkpatrick:👍 2025-10-22 14:11:53 From Frank Campo to Everyone: Great! Modeling EBT is the major component that strengthen self-efficacy of my 1st year TAs. 2025-10-22 14:12:05 From Mark Spindler to Everyone: QR code went to this microsoft form 2025-10-22 14:12:16 From Frank Campo to Everyone: FEED THEM! They will come : ) Katie Ingraham Dixie, Griffin, Catrish:❤️ Natalie Westwood (she/her):👍🏻 Maggie Tucker, Adam Chouinard, Lacey D Campbell:🤣 2025-10-22 14:13:06 From Shannon Mallison to Everyone: Can you post the last two slides in the chat or somewhere? Grant Gardner (MTSU):👍 2025-10-22 14:13:54 From Frank Campo to Everyone: I really like the idea of sharing EBT in context of the content. That seems to work for me to get them to engage. 2025-10-22 14:14:02 From Adam Chouinard to Everyone: Fantastic talk. Emily Braley:❤️ Catherine Kirkpatrick, Lacey D Campbell:👍 2025-10-22 14:14:10 From Adam Chouinard to Everyone: Sounds like you're willing to share? Let's connect to talk about sharing via the BioTAP website. 2025-10-22 14:15:16 From Liam Browne to Everyone: Well done, Christine! This was a great presentation! 2025-10-22 14:16:01 From Grant Gardner (MTSU) to Everyone: Great talk. I really appreciate your intentional development of this program. 2025-10-22 14:16:25 From Lacey D Campbell to Everyone: Yeah, this is fantastic. 2025-10-22 14:18:12 From Christina Overmyer to Everyone: How long has this program been running? What helped to push leadership to support this TPD? Adam Chouinard:👍 2025-10-22 14:18:15 From Amy Keagy to Everyone: How many different "seminar" topics do you teach? 2025-10-22 14:19:28 From Grant Gardner (MTSU) to Everyone: Don’t ask permission, just ask for forgiveness from leaders. That’s what I’m taking away from this. Katie Ingraham Dixie, Griffin, Catrish, Shannon Mallison:❤️ 2025-10-22 14:19:33 From Grant Gardner (MTSU) to Everyone: Thanks Christine 2025-10-22 14:19:38 From Melody Danley to Everyone: Do the GTA’s that participate bring their own examples of feedback they’ve given to students? Also, have you done any before vs. after workshop comparisons of GTA skills? 2025-10-22 14:20:35 From Adam Chouinard to Everyone: One needs the bandwidth to do that though too (develop a program without support)... and the bandwidth is a major constraint for a lot of TPD providers who have full-time positions on top of trying to do the best TPD they can do Lacey D Campbell:👍 2025-10-22 14:22:52 From Adam Chouinard to Everyone: In brief: so your kind of a position is actually a powerful form of administrative support, and a lot of BioTAP members are curious how that kind of position might come about. Katie Ingraham Dixie:❤️ 2025-10-22 14:23:13 From Grant Gardner (MTSU) to Everyone: Oh no. I’m bummed about not getting to hear Emily! [SHORT TALKS - Community building at 2:20pm ET] 2025-10-22 14:23:27 From Ash Heim to Everyone: Our "official" break will start at 2:40pm ET! 2025-10-22 14:24:16 From Grant Gardner (MTSU) to Everyone: Could you repost the link to the mentee 2025-10-22 14:24:18 From Grant Gardner (MTSU) to Everyone: menti 2025-10-22 14:24:20 From Adam Chouinard to Everyone: ment.com 2025-10-22 14:24:26 From Adam Chouinard to Everyone: menti.com 2025-10-22 14:24:26 From Adam Chouinard to Everyone: (sorry) 2025-10-22 14:24:31 From Amy Keagy to Everyone: https://www.menti.com/blyf9symet4k 2025-10-22 14:26:15 From Melody Danley to Ash Heim (direct message): Hi Ash - I’m going to bow out for the afternoon. I have a meeting with my dept chair at 3, then teaching labs after that. If there’s anything else I can help with after the meeting wraps up, please let me know! 2025-10-22 14:26:41 From Ash Heim to Melody Danley (direct message): Thanks Melody! I'll let you know! Melody Danley:👍 2025-10-22 14:29:52 From Grant Gardner (MTSU) to Everyone: Super interesting. Great prompt. Adam Chouinard:👍 2025-10-22 14:32:57 From Christine Solan, Biology TTS, she/her to Everyone: Instructional Modeling Framework (1).pptx 2025-10-22 14:33:32 From Christine Solan, Biology TTS, she/her to Everyone: Teaching Development Workshop by Design (1).docx 2025-10-22 14:34:05 From Ash Heim to Everyone: Hi Christine! It looks like on my end that a password is needed to access the first PPT? 2025-10-22 14:34:10 From Shannon Mallison to Everyone: Replying to "Instructional Modeling Framework (1).pptx": this requires a password Mark Spindler:➕ 2025-10-22 14:34:31 From Christine Solan, Biology TTS, she/her to Everyone: Workshop Development Table (IMF).docx 2025-10-22 14:35:13 From Christine Solan, Biology TTS, she/her to Everyone: No password needed for this one - Instructional Modeling Framework (1).pptx Ash Heim:❤️ 2025-10-22 14:36:25 From Grant Gardner (MTSU) to Everyone: Great point Frank Frank Campo:👍🏻 Katie Ingraham Dixie, Adam Chouinard:💯 [SHORT TALKS - Monica Torres and Christina Overmyer] 2025-10-22 14:37:46 From Grant Gardner (MTSU) to Everyone: Are there development tiers or categories of learning objectives for teachers going from classroom management, to pedagogy (disciplinary?), to value added reflective practice (interdisciplinary?). [SHORT TALKS - Diyala Shihadih] 2025-10-22 15:22:04 From Adam Chouinard to Everyone: Thrown to the wolves! 2025-10-22 15:22:08 From Grant Gardner (MTSU) to Everyone: Nope. Tossed in the pool with no flotation device. 2025-10-22 15:22:09 From Frank Campo to Everyone: NO! 2025-10-22 15:22:09 From Christine Ambrosino to Everyone: I was given textbook and schedule and told "good luck" 2025-10-22 15:22:10 From Star Lee (she/her) to Everyone: No 2025-10-22 15:22:11 From Emily Potratz (she/her) to Everyone: No training! 2025-10-22 15:22:14 From Lisa Raetz to Everyone: minimal training 2025-10-22 15:22:14 From Ana Medrano (She/Her/Ella) to Everyone: NO, I learned by doing 2025-10-22 15:22:16 From Monica Torres to Everyone: no teaching trainig 2025-10-22 15:22:15 From Amy Marion to Everyone: I don't remember being 'trained' 2025-10-22 15:22:15 From Erin Shortlidge to Everyone: Dropped in with 1 week notice 2025-10-22 15:22:16 From Stefanie Chen to Everyone: For my first TA position, no, not at all. 2025-10-22 15:22:17 From Dan Johnson to Everyone: Training was being thrown in the deep end, on my own 2025-10-22 15:22:17 From Catherine Kirkpatrick to Everyone: Optional seminar series 2025-10-22 15:22:17 From Rachel.Carrock to Everyone: Very little training 2025-10-22 15:22:17 From Amy Keagy to Everyone: GA training was all I had 2025-10-22 15:22:17 From Shannon Mallison to Everyone: no, but I took courses later 2025-10-22 15:22:19 From Katrina Stewart to Everyone: I had an internship as an undergrad teaching middle schoolers. 2025-10-22 15:22:23 From Shannon Eaton to Everyone: I completed a college teaching certificate in grad school 2025-10-22 15:22:24 From Mark Spindler to Everyone: A little workshop where we prepared a couple min of lecture 2025-10-22 15:22:28 From Christine Solan, Biology TTS, she/her to Everyone: I previously taught high school, and had received training for that. 2025-10-22 15:22:31 From Lacey D Campbell to Everyone: Mandatory teaching pedagogy class before the start of my first semester. And then weekly TA meetings (very brief) 2025-10-22 15:22:36 From Ash Heim to Everyone: Yes but only really formally during my PhD because it was in education research! 2025-10-22 15:22:37 From Elizaveta Korunova to Everyone: teach I was trained during undergrade 2025-10-22 15:22:42 From Laura Dixon Larsen to Everyone: No, but I took a college teaching class. 2025-10-22 15:33:15 From Kaleb Heinrich to Everyone: youre good! :) 2025-10-22 15:39:30 From Grant Gardner (MTSU) to Everyone: Thanks Diyala! In what way are your current understanding of these three category “types” informing your future work with departments? Adam Chouinard:👍 2025-10-22 15:40:56 From Grant Gardner (MTSU) to Everyone: Awesome. Thanks. 2025-10-22 15:40:58 From Grant Gardner (MTSU) to Everyone: Yup 2025-10-22 15:41:47 From Monica Torres to Everyone: Hi Diyala, do you know if they are going to offer the next cohort that was cancelled last summer? 2025-10-22 15:43:25 From Adam Chouinard to Everyone: Replying to "Hi Diyala, do you know if they are going to offer ...": We are hoping to have news on that very question for our accepted fourth cohort shortly! For now, we are sadly in a bit of a "limbo" with our funding. 2025-10-22 15:43:53 From Monica Torres to Everyone: Replying to "Hi Diyala, do you know if they are going to offer ...": I understand that! thanks 2025-10-22 15:43:57 From Adam Chouinard to Everyone: Replying to "Thanks Diyala! In what way are your current unders...": Great answer Diyala, and I would add: really stressing the importance of generating buy-in within departments. We knew how important the dep't culture was even before our first cohort, but it's really telling that when you don't have it, you aren't likely to see reforms. 2025-10-22 16:02:02 From Frank Campo to Everyone: Replying to "Thanks Diyala! In what way are your current unders...": Great point. TAs become more student-centered with more experience. [No chat during Georgina Anderson's and Elizaveta Korunova's talks] 2025-10-22 16:24:41 From Dan Johnson to Everyone: Off to another meeting-take care all! Adam Chouinard, Ash Heim:👍 2025-10-22 16:26:17 From Adam Chouinard to Everyone: Thank you to all of you for making BioTAP great! 2025-10-22 16:26:20 From Monica Torres to Everyone: Thank you! 2025-10-22 16:26:32 From Adam Chouinard to Everyone: And a MAJOR thank you to the incredible Conference Committee! Monica Torres:❤️ 2025-10-22 16:26:34 From Christina Overmyer to Everyone: Thank you so much! 2025-10-22 16:26:37 From Christine Ambrosino to Everyone: Thank you! 2025-10-22 16:26:43 From Georgina Anderson to Everyone: Thank you! This was a great experience! 2025-10-22 16:27:01 From Kaleb Heinrich to Everyone: Thanks to all presenters and organizers!!!!!! 2025-10-22 16:27:01 From Laura Dixon Larsen to Everyone: Thank you! This was a great conference, I am glad I discovered this BioTAP community! Kaleb Heinrich:👍 2025-10-22 16:27:03 From Elizaveta Korunova to Everyone: Thank yoU! 2025-10-22 16:27:09 From Katrina Stewart to Everyone: Thank you! 2025-10-22 16:27:31 From Frank Campo to Everyone: Replying to "Thanks Diyala! In what way are your current unders...": Thank you for keeping this conference going! IT was great to hear all the work everyone is doing. It is encouraging!